I didnt read your post but I like egoraptor. Damn Im making myself look like a genius once again.
please forgive your useless sister.
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n****rs. this is a test.
I want to do my best to say how I feel on the subject. Bear with me, it could get odd. But to begin with, I want you to know I have great respect for your style and attention to detail, it is inspiring... I was considering pursuing a career in animation/ graphic design, but knowing crap like the awesome series is becoming 'in' only pushes me away from my dreams... If I get into that field and am forced to draw 'awesome' stuff it could very possibly crush my creative fire. I look forward to day when people give the rightful respect to true art again.
ps~ Keep on Keepin' it Peachy...
yeah i agree. that stupid hentai adventure game got a 4.15 :S thats way more then alot of effortfull movies on this site. the creative stuff gets twacked and the stuff like Awesome movies and hentai gets a 10+
btw that -move your feet- video was fun it had alot of donuts in it that was happy good job on that
You have inspired me.
I think parodies and tributes are good for a laugh or two, but not good enough for the recongnition they are getting these days. The cure to this? We all have to sumbit flashes so good, people have no choice but to see that originality will prevail every time. I've just been inspiried to learn animation and do my best to help fix this crisis our age is in.
make sure to buy richard william's animators survival kit - it's the best book any animator could have
You know, oddly enough I came to pondering this myself. Even more so after one of my submissions won a daily award, and even won in the top 5 of the month of February.
I said it then, and I'll say it now. I'm so confused as to how it got that hi. Any of the submissions I've made have either been inside jokes (The "Soft Taco" Flash I made) or just quick animations I did to vent (Thus came "Wii are Sold Out")
I really don't want to be known for making quick shit flashes; rather I'd like to be known for funny, yet well animated flash submissions. I plan on making a flash series, but I want it spend time on it, and have it actually make sense to at least have a mentioning for a top 5.
I understand where you're coming from. Most of the flashes I watch are very well animated, and I usually ignore the quick bullshit. When I view other peoples quick work, I think maybe they just submitted it as a quick joke too, or for similar reasons as myself.
Meh, I'm rambling now. I blame exams and late nights... Thought I'd drop by and give my two cents.
Screw all them,buddy do your own thing and be your own person hell,ill back u 100%. u r the best if u believe it.
A few things:
1) Sure, it's easy to write video game jokes. But they're not always funny or have the comedic timing that Ego seems to have mastered. There's a lot of really crappy "Awesome" movies within the Awesome collection that never received front page or a lot of exposure. It's not like EVERYTHING with a certain name tacked onto it automatically becomes super-popular. Quality of some type still counts for something. It's up to the viewer's discretion and tastes to determine what's good and what's not. That holds true outside Newgrounds, as well.
2) I think Ego himself feels this whole "Awesome" business has gotten out of hand. He did say he does not plan on continuing the Awesome series. Would your opinion of him change if he started making better-animated movies with completely original content?
3) You put a lot of merit on high-quality animation, so what's your opinion of, say, Throwback the Duck (maybe you've written a review for it, but I haven't seen it)? It's pretty well-drawn and well-animated but also uses a lot of video game references, has pretty bland humor, and overall isn't that entertaining (I think). Is it part of the solution or part of the problem? I just think that animation isn't everything if the substance isn't there.
4) Not everyone is so serious about Flash. A lot of people around here either can't animate in the traditional way or simply don't care to put that much effort into it when tweens will do the trick. It doesn't mean they should be frowned upon if that's how they choose to express their creativity. Perhaps they'll get more into it and learn how to become true animators, or they'll simply be contented with using Flash as a casual pastime. There's nothing wrong with that, is there? It's about fun and entertainment, pure and simple.
So in conclusion, for better or worse, if it's entertaining, it'll be popular. It's as simple and as complicated as that.
lmao throwback sucked. but i applaud their efforts. anyway, ego's already dug a grave for himself. like illwillpress, krinkles and so many others, his fans only want one thing.
Well I'd have to agree with you on that on the whole. The Awesome movies are intended to funny, and I feel that maybe a good two or three of them are. Some of the extra awesome cartoons leave a lot to be desired, and maybe, after reading your post, it seems pretty obvious that what you're saying is true.
There is no denying, mind, that animations are getting more and more 'dumbed' down. The other day I saw a movie in the portal of a man shitting in an elevator, on loop. It got through judgement, which was bad enough, but ended up getting closer to a score of 3.00ish. It's pretty disgusting when you fel you've put alot of effort into something and people aren't acustomed to your idea so you get the short end of the stick when it comes to scoring. It has a knock on effect, not only on the site, but to an animators confidence.
I can only agree with what you're saying - be original, try your best and just hope some clever people see it. I get the same feeling with Madness Combat - it's extremely good fun to watch but after about 3 lashes, it's repetitive, predicatble and ever so slightly boring. I'm not kocking Krinkels or his creation; what he has done is great, but maybe it's time to move on, and take a step forward...because if we all done that maybe there wouldn't be so much tit and bum clogging up the preverbial pathway the animtor needs to walk to get seen.
~C x
i remember that review.
but i think it had a little more in it.
nope, that's the entire review
but this is all rather silly anyway, considering POO- NO. NO. NO.
xonsiderring ego has ended the awesome series at this point.
Newgrounds is "Everything by Everyone." That to me, means good or bad, it deserves to be here if the fans like it. They may like it for all the wrong reasons, and yes, I could be one of those people, but if you hate it, you hate it. If they like it, they like it.
i'm not saying it needs to be removed, i think the community is headed in the wrong direction. this doesn't really have anything to do with what i'm talking about.
Fine. You aren't talking about it being removed, but what you are saying is something that attracts people to this site is causing artists to lose the chance to let other artists who take the time to make their stuff, never have their stuff viewed to the best extent possible.
Thing is, I don't see it like that, I see it as if people see something good, they'll search for more stuff, and they'll find what you're talking about. And they may not like it because it has no profanity or humor, or anything else that makes an animation different, but they'll see it eventually.
I mean, when I read this post first time around, you looked like an ass. Then I read it again, and I saw the points you tried to make, and this now makes a lot more sense, and I agree with what you are saying. What I tried to say in the beginning (and failed miserably) is that people will discover the stuff you want them to see because Newgrounds is a great site that lets people share their ideas, no matter how many people disagree with it.
Even though I do like Egoraptor as a Voice actor and an artist; I see where you're coming from. I saw Kirbopher's Nin10Doh! collab a few times and didn't find it funny. The animation was excellent, the voice acting was good, but it just wasn't funny at all. Ever thought about being an animation supervisor?
you bitch too much
I think Egoraptor is a brilliant voiceactor, and his animation and art has improved a lot. I laughed SO much at the MGA series, and yeah... i quoted it with my friends.Also, in MGA2 the animation is pretty damn good, and so is some of the art...
BUT
all this awesome shit needs to die! It got old, a long long time ago.
nevermind I love awesome cartoons, I also like yours too though. Anorexia man is really funny.
I can see I'm a little (very) late to the party. Still, your point
is still evident in the community.
First let's get something straight. I'm not taking sides here. I
like both your and Egoraptor's stuff. I don't wish to start a
fight here. Anyways, as I was going to say...
Yes, I agree with you. The same concept can be applied to pop
culture as a whole. Heck, just look at High School Musical and
Hannah Montana. Just stick a name on something and people will
love it, regardless of its quality. That's not to say Ego's
flashes aren't good, but I see what you're getting at.
Nonetheless, good animation doesn't necessarily mean good film.
Look at many video games nowadays: They may look nice but they
very well may be horrible. Pretty animation is good and usually
symbolizes a lot of effort but it doesn't make something
automatically worthwhile. It's the content that we look for.
About innovation. I applaud any man (or woman, for that matter)
that tries to make something new or different.It's a sign of
courage and imagination. However, saying that people that make
parodies don't put much effort into their creations isn't exactly
fair. Sure, it's not original, per se, but achieving good voice
acting and all in all making good animations isn't a walk in the
park. It can take just as much skill as making a sprite movie at
times. Quality of design isn't a good thing to judge something on. We have to accept these differences and look beyond the art.
In my opinion, the enemy isn't people like Egoraptor. He has his
style of drawing and is able to please his fans with new flashes.
You shouldn't try to make him do anything different, or you'll end
up with something like a model trying to write a book. However,
just looking for names isn't being fair to everyone else, like
novice artists. It's the biased public that needs to be more
open-minded. I hang around the portal and rate new videos a lot.
Not only does it weed out the spam, it's a way to really see who
else has talent and creativity. Unfortunately, when everyone says,
"Oooh, I love <so and so>'s stuff, I am not going to acknowledge
anyone else!" , that's when a problem arises. Everyone has
different talents. People just have to discover the true artists
on the internet or else they won't have a reason to make anything
else. Then where will we be? No diversity. And that isn't a very
fun place to spend your time.
I don't expect anyone to read this but I thought I'd share my perspective.
I always thought cartoons were about miniature umbrellas, wisecracking rodents and falling anvils.
MishkaMash
I agree fully, and I just hope whenever I by the time become an animator, people will see animation differently.